700HE and 12GA FH

[Knight 5]

That is one scary-looking gun.

[hubel458 0]

8ga, we gonna do a couple, first one a test

gun in an Enfield with rear locking lugs.

All locking is in the rear, it is not exactly like

my 700HE one,as lug seats gone in the

front like a Mauser shotgun.

May have a way to get barrels 'fast'---

fast being like 2 weeks, from the time I

have money to do it. And only about

150 bucks each.......Am working on it.

In pic you see long case sticking out of

the action, a couple 8ga plastic cases, a

couple of the 8ga kiln slugs, 3 oz and

hardened. Am looking for a slug built like the

Federal 10 ga one that has rounded nose and

hollow base, that will fit bores tight.

The barrels I am working deal on will be smoothbore.Ed

[macshooter 7]

:eyepop:

[hubel458 0]

Howabout this Long Tom slug gun.....Ed

[JSheaHawk 29]

That's a friggin' monster!

Jared

[hubel458 0]

Got an 8ga barrel blank being made now,

will be here end of the week.Found this

info on plastic 8ga kiln gun loads, they

load a frangible 710gr slug at 2300-

for 8300ft lbs, load 1275gr hard slug to

1700, 8100 ft lbs. We will outdo those easy

with our non-shotgun powder loads, in

a heavy barrel.Ed

[416nemesis 0]

I will be posting more research on this thread

about other powders in 12ga plastic cases,about the

12GA FH loads, about scaled up falling blocks, my 700HE long

belted case, and the 28GA FH.Here is picture of

some other cartridges I have with some of mine.

1st= 408CT, 2nd- T-rex necked to 416- 3rd- 600OK

4th- 510HE, 5th-585HE, 6th-700H 3.25, 7th-12GA FH,

8th-700HE. Last most powerful. Ed

[/quote

Brian

I have had T REx necked down to 416. Do you or someone you know own one. I would love to compare notes

[hubel458 0]

416-- I have one of the cases, that Karl Gehringer sent me

from Australia. Are you from there. It is only place I heard

of them being, so far. This one is a Bertram Trex necked down with

a long neck, overall length 3.028" ...Ed

[416nemesis 0]

416-- I have one of the cases, that Karl Gehringer sent me

from Australia. Are you from there. It is only place I heard

of them being, so far. This one is a Bertram Trex necked down with

a long neck, overall length 3.028" ...Ed

I am from Australia. Cannot own a 50cal over here. The US won't export me a 416 Barrett. My rifle is nearly finished. The round is called 416 Nemesis. Should have plenty of punch on buffalo at over 1000 yards. Have you built anything like this. I don't know Karl. Has he built a rifle.

[CulminatingJoe 19]

Nemesis,

Are you building a platform to specifically perform shots on buffalo at >1000 yards or is that a bye the bye thing? I am wondering (if it's specifically built for that distance) why you'd want to do that when buff can be successfully hunted at much shorter distances.

Can you expand on that?

[hubel458 0]

I don't know if he has built one or if maybe a friend did.

I haven't myself, as I'm into real big bores.Ed

[macshooter 7]

I don't know if he has built one or if maybe a friend did.

I haven't myself, as I'm into real big bores.Ed

LOL

[hubel458 0]

Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple

1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr

of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers.

This is a heavy barrel for that type of load,

don't do this in your 12ga skinny barrels.

The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering

bolt gun for it now..Ed

[macshooter 7]

Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple

1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr

of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers.

This is a heavy barrel for that type of load,

don't do this in your 12ga skinny barrels.

The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering

bolt gun for it now..Ed

That's 5590 ft.lbs from a plastic case...

[hubel458 0]

In the 87 long smooth barrel got

1 oz Brenneke to 2400 with 110gr

of 4227, You could use 4759 and

VV110 also at lesser amounts.

Barrel is cylinder bore size.

Brenneke slugs need no wads as the

locked on wad works good.Ed

[hubel458 0]

In the long barrel 87 got 600 grain

Dixie over 2000, got a Buckhammer slug

I took out of factory load over 1900.

Buckhammer and locked on wad is 630

gr. Tested in 3" plastic cases.

The firing pin on the 87 didn't protude out

like I like them to as it comes from factory,

so I removed .015 from the hammer stop.

It fires big and small primers perfect.Ed

[hubel458 0]

10GA FH..a NEF 10ga, medium to heavy wt smooth barrel.

28" long, gun weighted to 14lbs. factory FED 765gr loads

are 1300 fps. 200 gr of first powder tested is 7383 surplus

and the regular shotgun primers got 765 gr to 1600,

for 4300 ft lbs. Case won't hold anymore 7383.

We will test 4227 with the same slug , and saboted slug

of some design. The 765 gr Fed slug is hollowbase for

smooth bores. Roll crimped with crimper in drill press.

Case expansion with 7383 very little(.006") like

the factory loads. 3.5" plastic cases.Ed

[hubel458 0]

10GA FH info.Fed factory hollowbase slug is .025" smaller than

10ga bore. I bumped it up to the .775" size, by expanding

hollow base. With 7383 that gave another 150 fps.Fast starting

shotgun powders expand base better than much slower 7383.

The Federal factory load has 120gr of wads/seals about 1.4"

long. Better to replace with much more slower powder,

getting better velocity, still at low shotgun pressures.Ed

[hubel458 0]

In 10GA NEF 110gr 4227 got 765gr slug

to 1800, ejected ok. If it was a really

heavy barrel it could do more.Using the

7383 surplus at 150 gr, don't even have

to resize to fire 3 times. The 28GA FH

done and testing in next couple weeks.Ed

[hubel458 0]

Fired 28GA FH-- Cases extract easy.--It is

in bolt action Enfield. With 550gr jkt slug,

full load 150 gr of WC-860, got 1900 fps.

This will be slowest load and powder.

In picture is 3.25" brass 28ga cases, regular

28ga plastic case, jkt slugs, a 458Win

for comparison.Regular cases work also.Ed

[hubel458 0]

28ga cases are made by Rocky Mtn Cartridge,

Barrel is rifled with 4 grooves, 1-22 twist.

You could do one on Savage 210.Another

shotgun bolt action that would handle it

with little work, heavy barrel, is the

395-495-595-695 bolt action Mossberg.

Just show that 28GA FH isn't puny, here is

picture of it next to a 505 Gibbs.Ed

[hubel458 0]

Here is picture and info on Royal

Arms' site for hopped up 12ga loads,

used in little cannons for bomb work.

Anyone got any of these fired that I could inspect to see how they are built.ED

http://www.royalarms.com/EOD/ammo/canonammo.gif

[hubel458 0]

I like the Savage 210 so I'm putting

a 700 barrel on one and chambering for

my 700H 3.25 case. Working on it now.

It is a straight belted case, .700 cal.

Should get the same energy levels as

the 12GA From Hell case in same action.

In pic is 700H case in the action. Ed

[macshooter 7]

Evil

[hubel458 0]

Yep, now I will have two evil ones so to speak, the one on Enfield I

have going and tested and the Savage. Ed.