Knight 5 Report post Posted October 27, 2007 That is one scary-looking gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2007 8ga, we gonna do a couple, first one a test gun in an Enfield with rear locking lugs. All locking is in the rear, it is not exactly like my 700HE one,as lug seats gone in the front like a Mauser shotgun. May have a way to get barrels 'fast'--- fast being like 2 weeks, from the time I have money to do it. And only about 150 bucks each.......Am working on it. In pic you see long case sticking out of the action, a couple 8ga plastic cases, a couple of the 8ga kiln slugs, 3 oz and hardened. Am looking for a slug built like the Federal 10 ga one that has rounded nose and hollow base, that will fit bores tight. The barrels I am working deal on will be smoothbore.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macshooter 7 Report post Posted November 6, 2007 :eyepop: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2007 Howabout this Long Tom slug gun.....Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JSheaHawk 29 Report post Posted November 10, 2007 That's a friggin' monster! Jared Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted November 18, 2007 Got an 8ga barrel blank being made now, will be here end of the week.Found this info on plastic 8ga kiln gun loads, they load a frangible 710gr slug at 2300- for 8300ft lbs, load 1275gr hard slug to 1700, 8100 ft lbs. We will outdo those easy with our non-shotgun powder loads, in a heavy barrel.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
416nemesis 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2007 I will be posting more research on this thread about other powders in 12ga plastic cases,about the 12GA FH loads, about scaled up falling blocks, my 700HE long belted case, and the 28GA FH.Here is picture of some other cartridges I have with some of mine. 1st= 408CT, 2nd- T-rex necked to 416- 3rd- 600OK 4th- 510HE, 5th-585HE, 6th-700H 3.25, 7th-12GA FH, 8th-700HE. Last most powerful. Ed [/quote Brian I have had T REx necked down to 416. Do you or someone you know own one. I would love to compare notes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2007 416-- I have one of the cases, that Karl Gehringer sent me from Australia. Are you from there. It is only place I heard of them being, so far. This one is a Bertram Trex necked down with a long neck, overall length 3.028" ...Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
416nemesis 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2007 416-- I have one of the cases, that Karl Gehringer sent me from Australia. Are you from there. It is only place I heard of them being, so far. This one is a Bertram Trex necked down with a long neck, overall length 3.028" ...Ed I am from Australia. Cannot own a 50cal over here. The US won't export me a 416 Barrett. My rifle is nearly finished. The round is called 416 Nemesis. Should have plenty of punch on buffalo at over 1000 yards. Have you built anything like this. I don't know Karl. Has he built a rifle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CulminatingJoe 19 Report post Posted November 30, 2007 Nemesis, Are you building a platform to specifically perform shots on buffalo at >1000 yards or is that a bye the bye thing? I am wondering (if it's specifically built for that distance) why you'd want to do that when buff can be successfully hunted at much shorter distances. Can you expand on that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted November 30, 2007 I don't know if he has built one or if maybe a friend did. I haven't myself, as I'm into real big bores.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macshooter 7 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 I don't know if he has built one or if maybe a friend did. I haven't myself, as I'm into real big bores.Ed LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple 1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers. This is a heavy barrel for that type of load, don't do this in your 12ga skinny barrels. The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering bolt gun for it now..Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macshooter 7 Report post Posted December 1, 2007 Tested 35" smooth barrel in 1887. Got couple 1 oz foster slugs over 2400, with 110gr of 4227. 3" plastic case, regular primers. This is a heavy barrel for that type of load, don't do this in your 12ga skinny barrels. The 28GA FH cases on the way.Chambering bolt gun for it now..Ed That's 5590 ft.lbs from a plastic case... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2007 In the 87 long smooth barrel got 1 oz Brenneke to 2400 with 110gr of 4227, You could use 4759 and VV110 also at lesser amounts. Barrel is cylinder bore size. Brenneke slugs need no wads as the locked on wad works good.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted December 13, 2007 In the long barrel 87 got 600 grain Dixie over 2000, got a Buckhammer slug I took out of factory load over 1900. Buckhammer and locked on wad is 630 gr. Tested in 3" plastic cases. The firing pin on the 87 didn't protude out like I like them to as it comes from factory, so I removed .015 from the hammer stop. It fires big and small primers perfect.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted December 21, 2007 10GA FH..a NEF 10ga, medium to heavy wt smooth barrel. 28" long, gun weighted to 14lbs. factory FED 765gr loads are 1300 fps. 200 gr of first powder tested is 7383 surplus and the regular shotgun primers got 765 gr to 1600, for 4300 ft lbs. Case won't hold anymore 7383. We will test 4227 with the same slug , and saboted slug of some design. The 765 gr Fed slug is hollowbase for smooth bores. Roll crimped with crimper in drill press. Case expansion with 7383 very little(.006") like the factory loads. 3.5" plastic cases.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted December 24, 2007 10GA FH info.Fed factory hollowbase slug is .025" smaller than 10ga bore. I bumped it up to the .775" size, by expanding hollow base. With 7383 that gave another 150 fps.Fast starting shotgun powders expand base better than much slower 7383. The Federal factory load has 120gr of wads/seals about 1.4" long. Better to replace with much more slower powder, getting better velocity, still at low shotgun pressures.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted January 5, 2008 In 10GA NEF 110gr 4227 got 765gr slug to 1800, ejected ok. If it was a really heavy barrel it could do more.Using the 7383 surplus at 150 gr, don't even have to resize to fire 3 times. The 28GA FH done and testing in next couple weeks.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted January 10, 2008 Fired 28GA FH-- Cases extract easy.--It is in bolt action Enfield. With 550gr jkt slug, full load 150 gr of WC-860, got 1900 fps. This will be slowest load and powder. In picture is 3.25" brass 28ga cases, regular 28ga plastic case, jkt slugs, a 458Win for comparison.Regular cases work also.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted January 12, 2008 28ga cases are made by Rocky Mtn Cartridge, Barrel is rifled with 4 grooves, 1-22 twist. You could do one on Savage 210.Another shotgun bolt action that would handle it with little work, heavy barrel, is the 395-495-595-695 bolt action Mossberg. Just show that 28GA FH isn't puny, here is picture of it next to a 505 Gibbs.Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted January 19, 2008 Here is picture and info on Royal Arms' site for hopped up 12ga loads, used in little cannons for bomb work. Anyone got any of these fired that I could inspect to see how they are built.ED http://www.royalarms.com/EOD/ammo/canonammo.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted January 27, 2008 I like the Savage 210 so I'm putting a 700 barrel on one and chambering for my 700H 3.25 case. Working on it now. It is a straight belted case, .700 cal. Should get the same energy levels as the 12GA From Hell case in same action. In pic is 700H case in the action. Ed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macshooter 7 Report post Posted January 27, 2008 Evil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hubel458 0 Report post Posted January 30, 2008 Yep, now I will have two evil ones so to speak, the one on Enfield I have going and tested and the Savage. Ed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites