• 0
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Admin

HK416 Upper

Question

HK416: Piston M16 Upper

post-1-1187980843_thumb.jpg

Model Number: D10RS - 10 inch HK416

The Heckler Koch HK416 (M16 knock off with a piston upper) Uppers are slowly creaping into the US marketplace. Heckler Koch in its infinite wisdom has taken an anti-US civilian market mentality and has refused to sell to mere citizens. When the HK416 was initially offered, a firearms dealer offered the uppers for sale for around $2300. When HK USA found out about the sales they demanded that the buyers return the uppers to HK and the buyers would be compensated for the purchases.

Some enterprising gun dealers have offered the HK416 uppers for sale in the $7,000 to $10,000 range when the complete HK416 rifle retails for less than $2000.

But recently as more US police departments purchase the HK system, the supply of parts has increased. What some dealers are doing is selling a department a HK rifle and then swapping the upper for a 'custom' Bushmaster or other AR clone upper. Next, the dealer will turn around and offer the HK416 upper to civilians at a grossly inflated price.

Is the HK416 upper worth all that extra money? No according to reviews.

There are other piston driven AR-15/M-16 uppers available that perform just as well or better for around $1000. The chic of having a hard to acquire HK upper is what drives the price.

Is it worth it to you?

Example: Recent HK416 Upper Advertisement

post-1-1187980636_thumb.jpg

WTS: New HK 416 10.4" upper $4500

I have a NEW HK 416 10.4" upper. It comes with everything pictured, +1 Hk 30 round mag. I also have a HK 416 stock and sling set.

HK416 Upper

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

12 answers to this question

  • 0

I'll bet it is nice, and may require less cleaning, but I'm not going to add that much money to an AR when I can clean it just fine by myself. Some of them hurt accuracy too, so poopoo on that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

NIB HK 416 10.5" upper in original cardboard sleeve with spring, buffer and manual. Also one newest HK factory sliding stock, has Hk logo and removable rubber butt pad, 1 HK factory 30 rd mag.

post-1-1237342908_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

I was talking to my cousin... E8... 5 tours in Afgan & Iraq.. Army Ranger out of Campbell, Air Cav trooper.. about the guns & gear. We started talking about HK mags.. he said they were way overrated.. most guys didn't want them, and preffered a polished interior aluminum body with Cs springs & magpul followers.

At a certain point.. I think that brand names become a focus, and not the actual value. I love HK... dont get me wrong. They make a quality product.. but I think the market is outta whack on some of the guns they make.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

Not exactly a buyer's market as it is. People trying to get rare items such as a 416 upper or one of the new SCARs are going to get gouged even more than usual.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

I have heard some reliable reports about problems with the HK416. I think a bunch of guys who paid $5000 for these uppers are going to be disappointed when the civilian HK version is released at more than half the price they paid for these uppers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

I'd like to see reviews comparing the 416 to other piston uppers. I got to look at a 416 first hand at SHOT this year, as well as the yet-to-be-released complete CMMG piston upper, as well as the LMT, POF, and LWRC piston uppers. All seemed very high quality in make, but how about function? CMMG claims that theirs will be less expensive and perform better than the others. I wonder how the POF, LWRC, and LMT offerings currently stack up against the 416?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

A dedicated AR piston upper is better mechanically compared to a drop in piston kit due to a phenomena called 'carrier tilt'. Due to asymmetric forces on a conventional AR-15/M-16 bolt the carrier is raised by the piston on one side which causes metal shavings and stress on the receiver.

HK tried to solve this problem by custom designing the carrier to distribute the piston force more evenly yet the reports I have been told first hand is that they still find metal fillings in the receiver.

I am big fan of the piston upper due to my fondness of the AK47 and the Armalite AR-18/AR-180. Hell, the Daewoo K2 rifle uses a piston correctly yet has no love.

post-1-1237481214_thumb.jpg

Daewoo K2

post-1-1237481229_thumb.jpg

AR-180S Commando Carbine

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0
Hell, the Daewoo K2 rifle uses a piston correctly yet has no love.

Speak for yourself! (and a vast majority of the gun community, I suppose...) I'm on my second DR200 right now - bought it a couple of weeks ago, NIB on arfcom for $850 - not bad.

If it wasn't for the absurdly slow twist rate, they'd be perfect. I'd also like the CH to switch sides...

I have heard that some 'Woos have faster twist rates, but it varies by date of manufacture or import, not necessarily by model.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 0

Wow, you got a great deal. I was fingering one about a month ago that was new in the box for $1400 at a gun show.

The AR-180 was marketed with a demonstration of firing one handed in full auto and being accurate. You can say that about a full auto M16.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0